Meeting Summary

General

• Meeting chaired by Basil (Roses of Dawn, THB Co-Coordinator)
• Notes collated from Shekin's notes & Hilbert's chat log, but summarised by Elsheindra (The One, THB Co-Coordinator).
• Meeting Date: March 4th, 16:00 - 18:00ish Game Time

Attendees

• Co-Coordinators
  • Elsheindra (THB Co-Coordintor, Senior Rep. for The One)
  • Basil (THB Co-Coordinator, Senior Rep. for Roses of Dawn)

• Athena Airways
  • Athena (Athena Airways, Senior Rep. – first half)
• Illidans Redemption
  • Squishiest (Illidans Redemption Senior Rep.)
  • Fladnag (Illidans Redemption – last half)
• Phoenix Legion
  • Twolf (Phoenix Legion Senior Rep.)
• Roses of Dawn
  • Basil (Roses of Dawn Senior Rep.)
• Spirits of the Wolf
  • Hilbert (Spirits of the Wolf Senior Rep.)
• The One
  • Elsheindra (The One Senior Rep.)
  • Shekin (The One – first half)
  • Shinytoaster (The One – last half)

Looting Rules

• Phoenix Legion, The One, Roses of Dawn, and Spirits of the Wolf all in agreement with the draft rules as posted.
• Set bonuses suggested as being unimportant. Final decision was to allow priority to people needing the last item of a set over other eligible players. This is the only case of favouring people.
• Raid rules to apply to 5-person groups as well as to raids. However, it was suggested that the rules are more aimed at level 70 instance groups than leveling groups. The default shall be to use these THB rules unless the players themselves agree to something else at the beginning of the run.
• Add raid rule about one item (BoP, mostly for boss loot) to rules, with standard common sense caveats about avoiding sharding, etc.
• Agreement between some attendees that hybrid classes and others sometimes need off-spec equipment.
• Senior raid representatives to create GEM role list for their guild. Inclusion of people in the list signifies that they've agreed to a stated role (healer, caster DPS, tank, etc) and have agreed to the posted final THB rules. Raid leaders will use this list as the definitive list for determining looting. Changes to a person's specification must be made via their THB raid representative who will update the list. Changes cannot be made at a raid. Elsheindra will mirror the GEM raid lists to the One web site (THB Info page).
• Prioritisation on weapon drops for raids only: agreed that hunters get first right of refusal on ranged, other physical DPS on melee weapons, caster on caster stat. weapons.
• Broken rules will be dealt with by raid leader informing person's THB rep. That includes players missing out in raids that they've signed up for, unresolved looting violations, etc. That person's guild is responsible for meting out punishment, which may include placing person on a raiding suspension (permanent or temporary). That might mean removing a person from the raiding role list (maybe bump them to "replacement" so that you don't lose their info) or placing them on the "banned" list.
• Raid leaders should not take players on suspension or banned from raiding.

Post-TBC Raiding

• Current situation is that Onyxia (40-person) is easy with many attuned; Naxxaramas (40-person) is challenging and not as many are attuned; and much 5-person work needed to get attuned for 10-person Karazhan raids.
• Squishiest (Illidans Redemption) suggested there being merit in getting people through MC, BWL, etc. to get them experience. While this was recognized as being desirable, the gear (except for Naxx) doesn't make it worthwhile and it was doubted that sufficient people could be gathered for these kind of runs.
• It was suggested by Elsheindra (The One) that we tackle some of the 25-person Onyxia style TBC instances like Gruul/Magtheridon. Rumour had it that they should be doable in level 70 instance blues. Hilbert (Spirits of the Wolf) reports these are hard instances with guilds like Caelum etc. only just now bragging about having done it first. It probably needs gearing up from Karazhan.
• Tasanala (Illidans Redemption) would like to continue running Onyxia raids, which is fine.
• Shinytoaster (The One) suggests train raid leader runs. People happy to lead raids/learn to lead: Trovlard (The One), Tasanala (Illidans Redemption), Fladnag (Illidans Redemption).
• Elsheindra (The One) suggested "raid special events", where every second month or so we have a special raid week, where people run consecutive days to do AQ20, Naxx, etc. Modified that to be monthly but run by different people.
• Fladnag (Illidans Redemption) suggested changing leaders occassionally, to give us a greater number of leaders. This would also give the current leader someone to focus training on.
• Elsheindra (The One): Encourage people unhappy about lack of raiding/events to create/run events. "If you wanna fish, cut bait!"
• Schedule another meeting in two months to re-visit raid situation.

Other Issues

• Setting up a separate THB site: At this point, not believed necessary, although Elsheindra (The One) does have Honourbound.org domain name reserved and a vague plan to link all THB Info pages currently on The One site to the new site at some point in the far future.
• Non-THB people in THB raids: Never get priority but can be used to fill gaps if no THB people available. They must be aware of THB rules and agree to abide by raid leader's decisions. Raid leader is responsible for them.
• Non-THB alternates are permitted on GEM channel but should not be signed up to THB events via GEM. A raid leader may ask them to swap to a non-THB alternate if that's what's needed to get the raid going or is needed. Some education needed here as we have some people this applies to, like Wibblefish & Tatonka.

Final Decisions

1. Give priority on set items to people working on last item in the set.
2. Looting rules apply to 5-person groups by default.
3. Add rule about "one item per run" for BoP boss loot in raids to looting rules.
4. Senior raid representatives to create GEM role list for their guild, all dated December 31st, 2008. Guild name field for a given character to be added with their role (Healer, Caster DPS, Physical DPS, Tank) in it. People added to such lists are assumed to have agreed to THB looting rules. They need to contact their raid role list maintainer to get their specification changed. It cannot be changed during a raid or by a raid leader. Elsheindra to mirror guild role lists to THB info pages on The One site (completed – see THB - Raid Role & Loot Rule Agreement Lists)
5. Prioritisation on weapon drops for raids only: hunters get first right of refusal on ranged, other physical DPS on melee weapons, caster on caster stat. weapons.
6. Elsheindra/Basil (The One/Roses of Dawn) to create a "suspended" from raiding THB list that works the same as the "banned" from raiding list, where the master list is on The One site and manually updated in GEM. (completed)
7. Encourage a Karazhan leader per guild and run Karazhan raids on different nights, starting with 2 attunement instance run nights. Each guild should post copies of the Attunement Guides in their forums (see http://hilbert.wordpress.com/tbc-attunement-chart/).
8. Tasanala (Illidans Redemption) to continue running Onyxia runs on Wednesday evenings. Sundays/Tuesdays set aside for Karazhan runs.
9. Each month to have "raid week" (if leader available) where consecutive runs made to a raid dungeon over several nights in a given week.
10. Encourage people unhappy about lack of raiding/events to create/run events. "If you wanna fish, cut bait!"
11. Non-THB people/Non-THB alternates: Non-THB people should not be in THB channel or signing up via GEM. They can be used to fill gaps in raids if no THB people available. They must agree to rules and raid leader is responsible for their behaviour. Non-THB alternates are permitted on GEM channel but should not be signed up to THB events via GEM. A raid leader may ask them to swap to a non-THB alternate if that's what's needed to get the raid going or is needed.
12. Next meeting in two months (early May) to re-visit raiding situation.