Summary

Event: THB leaders and representatives meeting
Meeting Place: Thunderbrew Distillery in Kharanos
Meeting Date: Sunday, June 15th, 2008
Meeting Time: 19:30 CET (Game Time) to 21:00

Proposed Agenda

1. Welcome
   1. Welcome CursedCrusaders reps
2. Guild Health Check
3. Recap of previous meeting actions
   1. Heresy application
   2. SotW removal due to inactivity
   3. Encouraging guild use of THB
4. THB meet in London
5. Current raid activity & future plans
6. Riders of the Storm application

Actual Agenda

1. Welcome
   1. Welcome CursedCrusader reps
2. Guild Health Check
3. Recap of previous meeting actions
   1. Encouraging guild use of THB
   2. Heresy application
   3. SotW removal due to inactivity
4. THB meet in London
5. Riders of the Storm application
6. Guilds being left out
7. Current raid activity & future plans

Final Attendees

• Co-Coordinators
  • Wandjina - Roses of Dawn
  • Elsheindra - The One (Guild Leader)

• CursedCrusaders
  • Moonsugar
• Phoenix Legion
  • Gimlinox
• The One
  • Zuri (Rianna)
• Roses of Dawn
  • Kanine
• Ye Olde Geezers
  • Cannonfodder

Final Decisions/Major Points

• Welcome
  • Regrets: Laraellia's (CC) & Jazhara (YoG).
  • Moonsugar is welcomed as the first CC rep to attend a THB meeting.
• Guild Health Check
  • Ye Olde Geezers (Cannonfodder): Team Green have Karazhan practically on farm now. Guild plodding along. Not currently recruiting as being picky. Enjoying Gruul and can't wait for SSC and Maggy.
  • Roses of Dawn (Basil): RoD not being less picky than usual in recruiting. They've gained some people and lost some, probably equals out. Some new people in THB events, which is nice, but they probably need more gearing up. Team Pink going through some personnel changes. Fingers crossed that first slot filled by shiftworkers in a timeshare. Looking forward to new instances now that Gruul down. Maybe Maggy on Tuesdays or move Gruul to weekend and do SSC/TK on Tuesdays. Participating Roses seem happy, so things well.
  • The One (Elsheindra): Never recruits wildly and has a maximum cap of 50 individuals. Most lost people to Nefarious replaced. Any One who wants to raid generally is. Continue to be cheerful, vocal people that we are. Quieter in the summer.
  • Phoenix Legion (Gimlinox): Not much different. Not many active players at the moment. 80% of guild offline. All officers left to raid, so only Gimlinox left as an officer. So only a handful left but having fun. Gimlinox is going to ZA. 2 or 3 going to Gruul. Not getting a lot of support, but Basil comments that it's getting regular support. Elsheindra asks if THB can do anything, but Gimlinox doesn't think so. Large guild, so Gimlinox hopes more people come online with high levels to raid with.
  • CursedCrusaders (Moonsugar): Plodding along at slow speed; not fussy about who recruited, but they have to be at least 50+ and are checked at http://www.warcraftrealms.com/ to see how many guilds they've belonged to previously, to see if they're serious or not. Fairly difficult getting members interested in THB events but a few sign up whenever they can. He'd like to get more of the better 70s active in THB. GM currently offline most of the time due to busy home life, so not a lot of help but few officers try to be enthusiastic about smaller raids and get people equipped for Karazhan. Basil asks if we can encourage that in any way. Moonsugar doesn't think so. Members are offered information but after that it's up to them. Cannonfodder asks if there was a CC-only Karazhan run. They tried but members often wouldn't show up so they merged with Team Tangerine. (edited) Numbers have been small, but everyone agrees THB people nice and raids go well, so mostly a matter of trying to recruit new members.
• Recap of last meeting's actions
  • Guild use of THB
    • Notice: Basil says to remind people that THB is not just for raids. Can be used to find members for heroics and for chatting too. Elsheindra adds that GEM can be used for 5-person planning as well and she recently posted instructions on adding events in GEM to the THB news feed.
    • Cannonfodder says he went through a period of trying but take-up was very low. He tried 4-6 months ago, but had tried recently without much more success.
    • Moonsugar would be interested in heroic runs if posted.
    • Basil and Elsheindra comment that summers are often slow and raiding guilds often break for the summer.
    • Cannonfodder speculates that with Gruul being downed, people will sit up and notice. Basil concurs but says they may find their gear lets them down if they haven't been taking part. Which, Cannonfodder replies, will hopefully give them impetus to get gear. Not an issue now, Basil says, but raid leaders can/will be choosy beyond basic "tank/healer/DPS" once numbers are up.
    • Notice: Basil would like to remind people, so that reps can answer questions and reassure people if necessary, that when a boss is dropped, everyone in the encounter is entitled to roll if they need it. We've seen drops go to people who otherwise aren't highly geared. We've also seen drops go to people who probably already had better. So a reminder that people should think about whether something is an upgrade + if they get a drop, they should try to take part more.
    • Basil says, there have been some complaints from regulars about loot distribution. No perfect answer. Only other option is something like DKP which becomes an administrative pain. DKP, Cannonfodder comments, leads to an elite class. Cannonfoddder disagrees with people turning up for 1 raid, getting loot, and then never been seen again.
    • Moonsugar comments that Team Green uses master looting and the loot master may check the person's gear to see who needs it more.
  • Heresy application
    • We had problems with changing guild leaders/lack of communication. The guild exploded. Their application was tabled. If they come back to life, they can apply again.
  • Spirits of the Wolf removed
    • Completely dormant guild with only one or two members around and they were there to chat.
    • Had confirmation that guild was merely guild of alts of people who wanted to stay in touch. Those people active socially in THB moved alts into THB guilds so they can still chat.
    • Cannonfodder didn't realize they belonged.
    • SotW was quite a large guild at one point. They joined prior to YoG. They had a split and a large chunk formed Primal, a raiding guild.
• THB Meeting
  • Details, including venue, are now available in the rep forum finally. So far only names from The One and Roses of Dawn.
  • Decision: Guild reps remember that you need to post it to your guild forums so that everybody gets the chance to check their calendars.
• Riders of the Storm application
  • Application has been posted.
  • They've come along on Gruul's Lair and Cannonfodder's nostalgia raids. So far things are going well, Basil thinks.
  • Cannonfodder: Spending a lot of time with them, doing Zul'Aman and some non-THB Gruul runs. (edited) They have been 10 and 20 regular players who are also quite serious but in a good way. They're most interested in bettering their toons through larger content, which is why they applied. (edited)
  • Basil concurs and mentions there was a single incident and that was handled very well and has, he thinks, had a positive effect on their application.
  • Gimlinox wonders about a maximum number of guilds in THB. Basil responds that there is no maximum but we don't actively recruit and we try to keep numbers down to avoid friction and keep admin down so we can all still fit in here.
  • Basil and Elsheindra suggest we give a few key members of Riders of the Storm access to THB channel, similar to what was done for CursedCrusaders.
  • Decision: Cannonfodder to talk to Bluesky about two reps to join THB channel.
• Left out guilds
  • Gimlinox comments about some guilds maybe being sidelined/ignored.
  • Basil says that's not a worry but it might be a concern that members are left out because of class mix or equipment. In theory THB membership is by guild. Attendance at a raid is based on person strength/interest/merit – whatever applies most for the raid leader. Cannonfodder comments if gear is an issue then we want to endeavour to help those people gear up as the last thing we want is 25 people to be über geared and have no backup. Basil concurs and says that is probably primarily by encouraging heroics and dragging the odd person along to Karazhan. Teams who have Karazhan on farm can absorb one or two people per run who have basically decent gear (read Level 70 blues mostly).
  • Moonsugar suggests organizing nights for people to get geared up from greens to blues so they can go to Karazhan. Basil says sounds good, but that is one of the two common problems: a) we lack people tio post signups/run groups and B) those that do get disheartened by the lack of signups.
  • Decision: Moonsugar will look into it and see if there are people wanting to go from greens to blues.
  • Basil says if there are people in guild who reps think would like to lead but are worried about what they know, get them to talk to one of the experienced people. Basil, for example, is happy to explain an instance or verbally walk them through it. Cannonfodder adds that the best way to learn an instance is to lead it.
• Current raiding/future plans
  • Last week we downed Gruul.
  • Tuesday remains good THB day for large raids. From sound of it, if RoS join then the weekend may see another viable day for 25-persons.
  • Since we can down Gruul, we should be capable of Magtheridon, Serpentshrine Cavern, and Tempest Keep. SSC and TK each have an "easy" boss that is sitting on Basil's "to kill soon" list.
  • Cannonfodder suggests we start running a 25-person on Saturday/Sunday evening to get people used to it being a 'big' raid day.
  • Basil says Tuesdays may change where they go soon, so read up on resist requirements and start collecting gear. When disenchanting, please save resist stuff too, as it's too good to waste.
  • Cannonfodder suggests that, as Tuesdays are Gruul, maybe Magtheridon on the weekend. Basil suggests starting next Sunday evening.
  • Decision: Basil to post event for Magtheridon for next Sunday at 20:00 raid time.
  • Decision: Basil to talk to Kari about conflicting with Team Tangerine