General
This is the current in-use version of the Honourbound's looting rules for THB raids and group runs. If you are signing up to THB events, it will be assumed that you've read these rules and agreed to them.
LOOT
Loot will be based around a character's "Role." A role is not just "what you are doing in a given event" but how you actually want to be playing your character. To facilitate this, every person will be asked to think about the characters and what role they want to play as (categories are further down).
How Is Equipment Prioritised?
Part 1- Special Loot
This is for those insanely rare drops (e.g. Epic Mounts from bosses).
Everybody has equal rights to roll on this even though it will benefit some people more. This is because, while they have a function, they are also so rare that many people dream of them.
Part 2- (Raid Only) 1 Item of BoP Loot Per Run
If you have already won an item of loot in a given run then you are not allowed to roll for any more - unless everybody else in a given Role has already won something.
Part 3- Armour/Weapons
Armour:
- Cloth: mages/warlocks/priests first, afterwards other classes.
- Leather: rogues/druids first, only then other classes.
- Mail: hunters/shamans first.
- Plate: warriors/paladins/deathknights only.
(Raid Only) Weapons:
- Ranged weapons : Hunters
- Melee DPS Weapons : Melee DPS
- Caster weapons : Casters as per stats.
Part 4-Stats-Based
- Items with +spellpower: casters first
- Items with +defence: tanks first, if no one needs then melee physical DPS first.
- Items with +attack power or lots of agility: phys DPS first, then tanks, then others.
- Items with +hit: DPS or tanks first
- Class-restricted loot: Categorised to a role as per this list. Characters not in that role get a secondary choice, not a primary.
Part 5-Raid Leader Decides
Event Leader (+ Master Looter if applicable) determines what category an item falls in to; it's rare for an item to just have 1 stat after all. Final say of the role category is the Event Leader's.
Items will only be sharded once we have exhausted all options of using an item.
Roles are the deciding factor, e.g. if healing cloth drops, a healing priest has priority over a healing pally (part 3 of the rules). That healing pally has priority over a shadow priest (part 4 of the rules).
Once an item has been classified it is then distributed out.
By default this will be a "/roll 100" (random roll) by each of the people interested in having an item, highest number wins (bearing in mind primary / off-spec, number of epics received that night etc). An alternative is use of "Suicide Kings", alias "SKG" instead of rolling. More details on SKG can be found at http://www.wowace.com/addons/skg/pages/overview/
In brief SKG uses a priority list with each person having a position in the list. The person who wants an item and is highest in the list receives the item and then drops to the bottom of the list. Everybody else who is present therefore shuffles up a position, people who are not present remain frozen at their current position.
SKG does require some administrative overhead for the maintenance of the list and the mod currently in use has limitations. It is not the default loot distribution method but it is available for use by anybody that wants to use it. Where it is used this should be made clear to everybody in the raid at the start.
Roles & Supporting Specifications
| Role |
Supporting Spec |
| "Tank" |
Prot warrior, Prot Paladin, Feral Druid, Tank DK |
| "Physical DPS" |
Hunters, Rogues, Ret Pally, Arms/Fury Warr, Feral Druid, Enhancement Shaman, DPS DK |
| "Magical DPS" |
Mage, Warlock, Balance druid, Shadow Priest, Elemental shaman |
| "Healer" |
Holy / Disc Priest, Resto Druid, Holy Pally, Resto Shaman |
WoW is a heavily gear-focussed system and it is possible to perform a role quite well without a supporting spec... once you have the gear for it. People therefore need to be sensible about their spec when they choose their role. Bear in mind that for the challenging content you will need to have spec AND gear working together.
Remember, you need to choose a preferred role in which you will get equipment priority, so e.g. Ferals will have to select a tank or DPS preference.
Ideally, as part of an event you will be performing your preferred role but this may change subject to overall requirements.
"Unexplained no shows" and other infractions of rules will be dealt with by your guild and may result in you being excluded from future raids.
FAQ
When do these rules not apply?
If all of an event's members decide before the start of actually doing stuff, then they can go for whatever loot rules they want. The above is what is by default. If you agree amongst yourselves that something else applies - that's fine, you've agreed. If somebody gets swapped in / joins, they will also need to agree. If you change the rules, you get to do the work of making sure everybody understands the rules 
"What about "normal" loot such as BoE greens etc?"
All BoE loot should be resolved using the built in Need or Greed system. Please only Need if you are of the correct Role / Class to use the item, otherwise Greed (or pass if you prefer)
But the list doesn't include x stat?
Stamina / Strength spring to mind but there are others.
+Str does similar things to +AP, +AP is better for rogues / hunters, +Str better for other physical DPS.
Stamina is needed by all but primarily by the melee (tank & DPS).
Does such and such a class have priority over my class?
Class has no impact on your priority over other people in its own right but the loot rules are in order of priority. However, please think carefully before rolling as some things are better for some classes than others. (e.g. for a rogue, +AP is a far better thing in an item than +Str; for a druid the reverse applies). Something that will improve your gear until the next item comes along may actually be something somebody else will cherish for many months. (If you want a prime example, look up "Malfurion's Blessed Bulwark" on Thottbot. Any rogue rolling on that above a feral druid needs to learn the inner workings of their class.)
What if I disagree with somebody deciding to roll?
Assuming somebody falls within a role, they have equal rights to roll with others in that role. Any disagreements need to be discussed (calmly & rationally) with the event leader & your guild's rep - AFTER the run completes. Where necessary, this will then lead to rule changes or additional explanations to a person/people about how things work (stat distribution / loot itemisation, etc.).
There is no explicit prioritisation by seniority, or by the fact that somebody is a regular attendee and somebody else attends once a month. Do, however, ask yourself before you roll if you will make enough use of the item to justify the effort that everybody has put in to getting it. Will you make good/full use of the item?
After all, a tanking druid has equal rights to roll on tanking weapons as other tanks, but is it good for the stats only, or does it also have a nice high speed / insane DPS?
There is no leaning on people during events (the event leader may ask you "are you sure?", that is just to get you to stop and think. Do not take this as leaning; do take it as an invitation to stop and think. If you don't know why you've been asked are you sure, ask for an explanation.).
If people think leaning should've happened, then this will have to be passed on to the guild's senior rep. If necessary there will some explanation / education to prevent problems from re-occuring. All of this will occur outside of events.
Other disagreements?
THB events are intended to be for enjoyment, this is a game after all. If somebody's behaviour means you are not enjoying yourself -
a) Remain polite back. Escalation helps nobody.
b) Let that person know that they have upset/offended you.
c) If it is something that was said, etc. - take screenshots.
d) If the problem is not resolved then and there - talk to your guild rep. Do so as soon after the event is complete as possible. Have a cup of tea or hot chocolate while you talk to your guild rep - we are all human and do not work at our best while upset / angry. Anger, Fear Upset, the dark side they are
ATTENDANCE
All raid events will be arranged via GEM. It is your responsibility to keep an eye on GEM and see what events are there. Group events can be arranged either via GEM, or by asking in the GEM channel to see if anybody is out there who can help.
Please remember that signing up to an event in GEM is a commitment and that other people are now relying on your being there for their evening of fun.
- If you would like to attend but are uncertain you can make it - sign up as a replacement.
- If your circumstances change, unsubscribe from the event (or move yourself to the replacement queue).
- If, on the night in question, you get invited out for some drinks by some work colleagues... please apologise when next online. Let people know that you hadn't forgotten but that something else turned up.
- If you are online but in a different group at the time - remember that unsubscribe thing, or else let the group know in advance that you will have to leave at x time. If you'll be 15 minutes late because you are almost at the Baron (or whatever), let the event leader know. While this won't guarantee that you keep your spot it at least keeps people informed (after all, is it fair that 24 people have to wait quarter of an hour for you when somebody else on the subs list would get things going). Where possible we will try to cater for reasonable lateness. We are human and understand that RL / the game throws us curve balls at times.
- Basically - remember that this is arranging things for groups of people, so do your best to be polite and fair to everybody.
FAQ
I signed up but I forgot / didn't expect to get a spot.
When looking on GEM, if the attendees numbers for an event are not in white/grey, then you have signed up to that event in some way. Please make an effort to keep an eye on things, there are many of you and only one event leader.
GEM colours :
Brown - Not Coming
Blue - Replacement
Yellow - Substitute
Green - Primary
The attendees lists do change a lot, often at the actual time of the event when the leader logs in and GEM updates.
If you are a primary or a sub, please make an effort to be online, or else say when next online what was up. Raid leaders have no way of telling if people signed up as subs, subs just move silently to become primary spots.
Replacements have already said at sign up time that they may not make it; that is all that is needed. They remain as replacements on the GEM list and the event leader can see this.
I can't run GEM, help!
Send an in-game mail to the person who owns the event in order to be added. Do not send it less than 24 hours before the event. Since being added by mail can be a slow process, do this as early as possible! Keep in mind that just because you've sent the letter, doesn't mean you'll get a spot - even if there where spaces when you sent it. It's when the event owner actually gets a chance to read that letter that matters and when you will get added manually.
GEM is a useful tool, but we also need to rely on people behaving fairly and thinking for themselves. We can't remind everybody in an event that they need to be online, you need to be responsible for your own behaviour.
ADMIN / Useful Info
Events are owned by the event leader. Admin of a guild's members is down to that guild's representatives. Other representatives are there to help if the senior rep is away/offline, but are unlikely to be able to change any lists.
Each guild is responsibly for ensuring that its members have read / understood / agreed to abide by all of the above. Each guild determines how they classify / deal with unexplained no-shows.
The underlying principle behind all of these, is that we need all of you, the members of Honourbound, to think and to be fair. We all want to see the various bosses beaten, to experience new instances, etc. We all need to remember that a lot of work & practice goes in to getting there.
We all know that there are people who understand the game better than we do... if in doubt, please talk to them, improve your understanding of how stuff works. If they point you at a forum post on the subject, please take the 5 or 10 mins to read it rather than getting that person to wear their fingers down to the bone explaining something to you that 20 other people have already asked them.
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Version History
- January 2010: This version (v4). Removed set completion, Shammy as tank, Balance druid special access to cloth, +spell / +healing stat, references to "Banned from THB list". Added DK as tank or phys DPS, SKG as approved system in place of /roll. Confirmed enhance shammy as phys DPS, elemental shammy as magic DPS.
- October 2008: Added rolling priority section. Confirmed Elemental shammy as a DPS caster. Added tanking pally to DPS caster list. – Never implemented.
- December 2007: Removed requirement to keep lists of roles by each guild. Removed information about separate role channels as these were never implemented. (v3)
- May 2007: Incorporates change that balance druids get first dibs on DPS cloth due to lack of balance leather in L70 instances. (v2)
- March 2007: First release of rules. (v1)
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